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		<title>Comment on Functions of endogenous retroviruses does nothing for intelligent design by bort901</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Jun 2013 20:07:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for stopping by and reading my blog. As you may have noticed from my lack of posting, I have nearly lost interest in the debate. 

Could you please enlighten me on all the progress that intelligent design has made in the last couple of years? Could you also point out the failures of evolutionary theory?  I really don&#039;t see how evolution was a dead theory since it&#039;s arrival.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for stopping by and reading my blog. As you may have noticed from my lack of posting, I have nearly lost interest in the debate. </p>
<p>Could you please enlighten me on all the progress that intelligent design has made in the last couple of years? Could you also point out the failures of evolutionary theory?  I really don&#8217;t see how evolution was a dead theory since it&#8217;s arrival.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Functions of endogenous retroviruses does nothing for intelligent design by Wallace !!</title>
		<link>http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/functions-of-endogenous-retroviruses/#comment-923</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wallace !!]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Apr 2013 16:05:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; no matter how much more evidence for evolution becomes available&quot;..
What the hell? Are you kidding, RIGHT? In fact, as the time passes, the evolutionary wishful thinking is dying, being overcome by new researches and scientific discovers, each desperate evolution claim is heading to a miserable ending, no surprise, evolution is a dead theory from the beginning...

papangu1988@gmail.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; no matter how much more evidence for evolution becomes available&#8221;..<br />
What the hell? Are you kidding, RIGHT? In fact, as the time passes, the evolutionary wishful thinking is dying, being overcome by new researches and scientific discovers, each desperate evolution claim is heading to a miserable ending, no surprise, evolution is a dead theory from the beginning&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="mailto:papangu1988@gmail.com">papangu1988@gmail.com</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on Speciation: more evidence ignored by intelligent design by Nick</title>
		<link>http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/speciation-more-evidence-ignored-by-intelligent-design/#comment-911</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Nick]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Feb 2013 07:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I believe that we have a serious issue in being able to actually define a species in the first place. Cladistics in Sauropods (for example) would be completely different from Conifers. What constitutes a species is not only arguable, but actually differs between Classes, Phylum’s, Orders and Suborders... Sexuality is not a constant (especially in botany) and often varies in the Animal Kingdom. 

I agree with the observable science of micro-evolution, and am a firm supporter of Natural Selection.  I’m a paleontologist, and I have NOT seen any CONVINCING evidence for ANY transitional species in the Fossil record. In other words, evolution on a macro level is Not observed in science. It is, however, still a theory often taught as fact. 
We know there is plenty of genetic room for adaptation in DNA, but there is still no evidence for a creature becoming (turning into) another type of creature. 

This is especially true via mutation, where as some mutations are beneficial, most are not. Information is NOT added to the DNA by mutation, the organism actually looses (though it is not a permanent loss) information by a mutation copied in RNA transfer. This is a perfect example of what we observe with  canine. What suggests that these dogs are actually different species? Just because they can’t all interbreed? A terrible definition of “species” notwithstanding, dogs are still dogs. Even though Bears share many convergences with canines, they are still bears. However, there is plenty evidence of convergences across different types of creatures; similarities that may have adapted across numerous “species” and/or families, has No trace evidence of a dolphin evolving into a whale, or a dog into a dolphin for that matter. Therefore, there is something to be said about the use of the words “according to their kinds” in the Bible. As a species IS more difficult to universally define there may be something to this broad taxonomy don’t you agree? 

To Luke, on the contrary, I have seen “species” that are virtually unchanged in the fossil record. Some, more recently, have actually been found to be extant and show hardly any observable difference at all. The Coelacanth is a pretty good example and you can find its remains all over the Devonian. Coelacanthiforms do have some minor differences between “species,” what is currently accepted as the definition of a species. Cumulative observations on coelacanthiform morphology are minor. This is just one example.

The same could be said for many other Families in the fossil record. Tyrannosauridae, Diplodocidae,  etc. All have slight variations that do not always suggest a different “species.” New evidence for Apatosaurus and Diplodocus suggests that the different morphologies are actually related to gender vs. species. In all actuality, we only have about 50-60 different types of dinosaurs; even if there exist many variations of the type “species.”

Hybridization is a whole other topic, but can be viewed as relevant here as well. Plant “species” are even more difficult to define due to the almost limitless possibilities for reproduction.

Using BSC (The Biological Species Concept),the Phenetic (or Morphological) Species Concept, or Phylogenetic Species Concepts have not proven to be universal in standard.
I think, that it will be some time, before we will discover any solid method for describing a “species” universally in nature.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that we have a serious issue in being able to actually define a species in the first place. Cladistics in Sauropods (for example) would be completely different from Conifers. What constitutes a species is not only arguable, but actually differs between Classes, Phylum’s, Orders and Suborders&#8230; Sexuality is not a constant (especially in botany) and often varies in the Animal Kingdom. </p>
<p>I agree with the observable science of micro-evolution, and am a firm supporter of Natural Selection.  I’m a paleontologist, and I have NOT seen any CONVINCING evidence for ANY transitional species in the Fossil record. In other words, evolution on a macro level is Not observed in science. It is, however, still a theory often taught as fact.<br />
We know there is plenty of genetic room for adaptation in DNA, but there is still no evidence for a creature becoming (turning into) another type of creature. </p>
<p>This is especially true via mutation, where as some mutations are beneficial, most are not. Information is NOT added to the DNA by mutation, the organism actually looses (though it is not a permanent loss) information by a mutation copied in RNA transfer. This is a perfect example of what we observe with  canine. What suggests that these dogs are actually different species? Just because they can’t all interbreed? A terrible definition of “species” notwithstanding, dogs are still dogs. Even though Bears share many convergences with canines, they are still bears. However, there is plenty evidence of convergences across different types of creatures; similarities that may have adapted across numerous “species” and/or families, has No trace evidence of a dolphin evolving into a whale, or a dog into a dolphin for that matter. Therefore, there is something to be said about the use of the words “according to their kinds” in the Bible. As a species IS more difficult to universally define there may be something to this broad taxonomy don’t you agree? </p>
<p>To Luke, on the contrary, I have seen “species” that are virtually unchanged in the fossil record. Some, more recently, have actually been found to be extant and show hardly any observable difference at all. The Coelacanth is a pretty good example and you can find its remains all over the Devonian. Coelacanthiforms do have some minor differences between “species,” what is currently accepted as the definition of a species. Cumulative observations on coelacanthiform morphology are minor. This is just one example.</p>
<p>The same could be said for many other Families in the fossil record. Tyrannosauridae, Diplodocidae,  etc. All have slight variations that do not always suggest a different “species.” New evidence for Apatosaurus and Diplodocus suggests that the different morphologies are actually related to gender vs. species. In all actuality, we only have about 50-60 different types of dinosaurs; even if there exist many variations of the type “species.”</p>
<p>Hybridization is a whole other topic, but can be viewed as relevant here as well. Plant “species” are even more difficult to define due to the almost limitless possibilities for reproduction.</p>
<p>Using BSC (The Biological Species Concept),the Phenetic (or Morphological) Species Concept, or Phylogenetic Species Concepts have not proven to be universal in standard.<br />
I think, that it will be some time, before we will discover any solid method for describing a “species” universally in nature.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Did Darwin make faulty predictions on evolution? by Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Jan 2013 23:39:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most of the predictions of evolution were found to be false. And in those &quot;predictions&quot; you list as if evolution predicted something else if a prediction was wrong it was actually tentatively adjusted after the fact. Evolution never predicts anything it just continues to describe everything that&#039;s found through investigation. Then next time these descriptions held up as predictions fail it gets tentatively adjusted again repeating the cycle. Amazing the straw men evolutionists will come up with to try and defect your obviously flawed &quot;theory.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most of the predictions of evolution were found to be false. And in those &#8220;predictions&#8221; you list as if evolution predicted something else if a prediction was wrong it was actually tentatively adjusted after the fact. Evolution never predicts anything it just continues to describe everything that&#8217;s found through investigation. Then next time these descriptions held up as predictions fail it gets tentatively adjusted again repeating the cycle. Amazing the straw men evolutionists will come up with to try and defect your obviously flawed &#8220;theory.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>Comment on Lenski&#8217;s new results; Behe&#8217;s red herring by Escherichia coli &#171; Tsjok&#039;s blog</title>
		<link>http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/lenskis-new-results-behes-red-herring/#comment-889</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Escherichia coli &#171; Tsjok&#039;s blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Oct 2012 20:24:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] (creato) Dus informatie-verlies //(1)    (1) en dat is ook wat Behe beweerde  http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/lenskis-new-results-behes-red-herring/ [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] (creato) Dus informatie-verlies //(1)    (1) en dat is ook wat Behe beweerde  <a href="http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/lenskis-new-results-behes-red-herring/" rel="nofollow">http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/2009/10/27/lenskis-new-results-behes-red-herring/</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Rejecting Evolution, a path back to the dark ages by RadDad</title>
		<link>http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/2008/08/21/rejecting-evolution-a-path-back-to-the-dark-ages/#comment-882</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2012 05:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually studies at Scripps Research Institute have came up with some really interesting results regaurding E. coli. Here&#039;s some excerpts...

&quot;In the June issue of the open-access journal PloS Biology, the team describes how a protein called LexA in the bacterium Escherichia coli promotes mutations and helps the pathogen evolve resistance to antibiotics. The scientists also show that E. coli evolution could be halted in its tracks by subjecting the bacteria to compounds that block LexA. Interfering with this protein renders the bacteria unable to evolve resistance to the common antibiotics ciprofloxacin and rifampicin.&quot;

&quot;When E. coli cells are subjected to damage, they upregulate repair enzymes, which then go to work trying to fix the problem. If the damage persists, the cell upregulates recombination enzymes, which are tasked with recombining the DNA — another way to repair it. And, says Romesberg, if the damage still persists, the cells upregulate enzymes whose sole task is to make mutations.&quot;

&quot;Romesberg reasoned that since mutations can be turned on full-force, perhaps they could be shut off as well. Doing so, he says, would put a halt to evolution — an interesting prospect because the mutations responsible for evolution are the underlying causes of cancer and aging as well.&quot;

The Scripps researchers, discovered that E. coli, when stressed (such as running out of food as in Lenski&#039;s experiment or in the presence of antibiotics in the Scripps experiment) selectively increases the mutation rate on certain genes. Thus the mutations in this case are not random but rather directed at a certain area in an attempt to solve a certain problem. Lenski should have have been aware of this but even if he weren&#039;t he should have known just by definition alone selection can operate on any heritable change no matter how the change happened.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually studies at Scripps Research Institute have came up with some really interesting results regaurding E. coli. Here&#8217;s some excerpts&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;In the June issue of the open-access journal PloS Biology, the team describes how a protein called LexA in the bacterium Escherichia coli promotes mutations and helps the pathogen evolve resistance to antibiotics. The scientists also show that E. coli evolution could be halted in its tracks by subjecting the bacteria to compounds that block LexA. Interfering with this protein renders the bacteria unable to evolve resistance to the common antibiotics ciprofloxacin and rifampicin.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;When E. coli cells are subjected to damage, they upregulate repair enzymes, which then go to work trying to fix the problem. If the damage persists, the cell upregulates recombination enzymes, which are tasked with recombining the DNA — another way to repair it. And, says Romesberg, if the damage still persists, the cells upregulate enzymes whose sole task is to make mutations.&#8221;</p>
<p>&#8220;Romesberg reasoned that since mutations can be turned on full-force, perhaps they could be shut off as well. Doing so, he says, would put a halt to evolution — an interesting prospect because the mutations responsible for evolution are the underlying causes of cancer and aging as well.&#8221;</p>
<p>The Scripps researchers, discovered that E. coli, when stressed (such as running out of food as in Lenski&#8217;s experiment or in the presence of antibiotics in the Scripps experiment) selectively increases the mutation rate on certain genes. Thus the mutations in this case are not random but rather directed at a certain area in an attempt to solve a certain problem. Lenski should have have been aware of this but even if he weren&#8217;t he should have known just by definition alone selection can operate on any heritable change no matter how the change happened.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Intelligent Design/ Creation Resources by kleinium</title>
		<link>http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/intelligent-designcreation-resources/#comment-874</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[kleinium]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Sep 2012 16:00:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think everyone has motives that cloud their reality.  That is just being human.  Most of the general public doesn&#039;t want to debate creation/evolution because it seems the validity of creation is so strong that there is a general  fatigue about the whole thing.  But it is easy to believe in design when everything looks designed.  The other day I was watching a you tube video about the spliceosome.  I was astonished by the ingenuity and invention of the multiple parts of that device.  I was also blown away by the reality of introns and exons.  I come away thinking....no......that did not come about by any natural selection process.  A lot of people get enough of those kind of experiences in their life and sort of figure evolution advocates have some kind of &quot;motive&quot; that don&#039;t want to say that is really behind what they are proposing.  (Whether they do or not in actuality)  Thus, the general public continues to be skeptical.  I think advocates for evolution have to work pretty hard to sell their point of view considering the &quot;obvious&quot; nature of design in biological processes.  thanks for your website to keep the discussion going.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think everyone has motives that cloud their reality.  That is just being human.  Most of the general public doesn&#8217;t want to debate creation/evolution because it seems the validity of creation is so strong that there is a general  fatigue about the whole thing.  But it is easy to believe in design when everything looks designed.  The other day I was watching a you tube video about the spliceosome.  I was astonished by the ingenuity and invention of the multiple parts of that device.  I was also blown away by the reality of introns and exons.  I come away thinking&#8230;.no&#8230;&#8230;that did not come about by any natural selection process.  A lot of people get enough of those kind of experiences in their life and sort of figure evolution advocates have some kind of &#8220;motive&#8221; that don&#8217;t want to say that is really behind what they are proposing.  (Whether they do or not in actuality)  Thus, the general public continues to be skeptical.  I think advocates for evolution have to work pretty hard to sell their point of view considering the &#8220;obvious&#8221; nature of design in biological processes.  thanks for your website to keep the discussion going.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Speciation: more evidence ignored by intelligent design by Eric</title>
		<link>http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/2008/08/05/speciation-more-evidence-ignored-by-intelligent-design/#comment-872</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Eric]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Aug 2012 19:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;ergo, man came from some primordial amino acids in a swamp... &quot;. You&#039;re talking about a-bio genesis, which is a whole other theory. Evolution is the theory of how life changes over time, not its origin.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;ergo, man came from some primordial amino acids in a swamp&#8230; &#8220;. You&#8217;re talking about a-bio genesis, which is a whole other theory. Evolution is the theory of how life changes over time, not its origin.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Functions of endogenous retroviruses does nothing for intelligent design by PiratePete</title>
		<link>http://nondiscovery.wordpress.com/2008/08/29/functions-of-endogenous-retroviruses/#comment-871</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PiratePete]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 23:01:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[No I don&#039;t think you are wrong. I am actually afraid that the exact opposite will happen. Of lately I have had a few discussions with strong religious people, and no matter what you say they will not even consider the possibility of it being correct. 
Religion is cognitive dissonance on a major scale. . .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No I don&#8217;t think you are wrong. I am actually afraid that the exact opposite will happen. Of lately I have had a few discussions with strong religious people, and no matter what you say they will not even consider the possibility of it being correct.<br />
Religion is cognitive dissonance on a major scale. . .</p>
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		<title>Comment on Functions of endogenous retroviruses does nothing for intelligent design by bort901</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bort901]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 18 Aug 2012 21:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete, 
I welcome your optimism that more evidence will stop people from denying the facts.  However, I have to disagree with you.  I feel there is so much evidence already that no matter how much more evidence for evolution becomes available, people will still believe in Intelligent Design or another flavor of creationism.  I hope I am wrong though.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete,<br />
I welcome your optimism that more evidence will stop people from denying the facts.  However, I have to disagree with you.  I feel there is so much evidence already that no matter how much more evidence for evolution becomes available, people will still believe in Intelligent Design or another flavor of creationism.  I hope I am wrong though.</p>
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